freetards of the world ! openoffice sucks ass!

looks like I hit a raw nerve with all the freetards coming out of the woodwork to “debunk” me publically.

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/2/2010/02/13/openoffice_review

I put my name on the web and I put my money where my mouth is, hardly anyone has the balls to do that it seems and when they do, they make such a complete cock of themselves it’s incredible.

Imagine this, I give point after point about why openoffice is failing and why office 2007 has gotten it right.  Yet instead of detailing a single point why I am wrong, they say that I’m a whiney corporate schill or perhaps that i’m using straw man arguments.  Yet instead of details WHY all this is true, they just say it and hope that it becomes true.

We, my friends, are in classic freetard territory, where the person who ends the discussion with “your wrong” wins.  Classic idiot territory is another way you can describe it.

Here my freetarded friends, I shall give you a point by point way to success in: How to have online discussion

1) if someone says something you don’t like, it’s YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to put the world straight

2) if you wish to do this, you must counter what is being said, with arguments that address the original text

3) Saying “Your wrong!!!!one!!!!eleventy!” does not make you win the discussion, it just makes you look stupid

4) if you reply like this and you get smacked down, it’s because you’re an idiot, go back to working in McDonalds, the world does not need you

5) If you do reply in an intelligent manner, do not attack the person, if you get called an idiot, most likely, it’s because instead of replying the argument, you retorted that “you must think that because you’re stupid” because thats a sure fire way to lose any argument.

6) if you abuse me, I shall abuse you, plus if I am right and you havent demonstrated intelligence, I reserve the right to publically pound you until I get bored.

Those simple yet effective rules, shall guide you to your path, if they don’t, please go back to your basement, nobody cares about you and I really hope nobody procreates with you also.

A good example of DOING_IT_WRONG is clearly demonstrated here:

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/2/2010/02/13/openoffice_review

You can see some people have demonstrated intelligence and are replied in the same way that they have done so, you can also see lots of people who have demonstrated idiocy and the resulting wrath that is laid upon them.

Happy commenting!

29 thoughts on “freetards of the world ! openoffice sucks ass!”

  1. Lol at this! Good points, I personally like openoffice but I suppose you wouldn’t consider me a power user as I just use it for the odd spreadsheet and word document and don’t have any major feature requests. I used to use word back in the day of me buying package computers etc but as these days I generally purchase a new brandless laptop every 18 months I try and rely on open source for a lot of things.

    I like your stuff mate keep up the good work, your advice on fotobook has proved very useful. Thanks :)

    You can see how I used it at http://faceevent.co.uk/photos

    Good day.

    David

  2. hey,

    I really like your fotobook implementation. it’s very nice and clean, I am getting more and more into facebook and the API’s it has on offer and i’m trying to think how I can write some code that will allow me to pull comments from facebook and put them together with the photos being displayed and then also allow comments that are added in your website, to appear in facebook (bi-directional commenting) and some other cool stuff.

    but your site is very cool!

  3. Finally someone else who sees it my way. I use a Mac and use iWork 09, which supported Office 2007 documents in iWork 08. It looks and acts way better than Open Office ever will.
    Reasons I hate OOo
    1)Ditch Java already nobody wants Java in an office application, thats just retarded.
    2)Even in Windows it has issues when editing large amounts of text, the text gets all misaligned and I am sure I am not the only one to notice this.
    3)The interface is horribly screwed up and instead of fixing it, in 3.2 they add more menus, and obscurity.
    4)It is still slow when using it when compared to Office 2010, and iWork ’09 and it cant even handle it’s own documents.

    You can take all these arguments and apply them to all FOSS software. Companies spend millions on research and development, and there is a reason people buy licenses to their products, they work! You have to jump through hoops in any FOSS application to accomplish the same amount of work on an application I already paid for.

    Gabs, my friend, got a netbook with Ubuntu on it. Upgraded to 9.10, and it kernel panicked and wouldn’t let her do anything with it other than stare at the messages. When trying to reinstall 9.04, it wouldn’t boot properly to a USB stick made with a live CD. Windows simply does not have these issues, and they happen all the time. In my Ubuntu installs in the past, there was 4 sound servers and if one died you were stuck figuring out what one died and how to fix it before you got sound back. KDE is a mess and is completely broken. I thank God for Microsoft and Apple.

  4. hi christopher,

    you make some good points, others are kinda neither here or there, I guess it’s not THAT important about java, yeah, it’s not that useful, but I couldnt care less what language it was written in, whether it’s java, C, C++, python, etc. I suppose the question of speed comes into play, but I found out that using the IcedTea java implementation is crap slow compared to the official java from sun itself, which is much faster when using openoffice.

    the issue about misaligning text, you got it right, big time, the one thing that pisses me off the most is the user interface is complete shit when it comes to managing text, alignments etc and it’s not just openoffice, it’s other apps as well, take gimp for example, oh my fucking god, whos fucking idea was that????? I dont mean the layout of the tools etc, I mean, inside the document, the user interface just doesnt give you the feedback you need in order to make intelligent decisions, you guess, you hit the button knowing ctrl-z is available. I am always screaming at openoffice to format documents, to the point that being a web developer, I sometimes just open a text editor and start writing it in HTML just because it’s simpler and easier and more predictable. Thats how crap it is.

    Everyone complains about the ribbon, but I’m sorry, it’s far superior to the shit cake that is openoffice, which is basically a clone of office 97 with some better polish, I mean, it groups everything together logically, it lets you use styles more than raw text formatting, which for large documents is very helpful, etc, etc, etc, the list is just huge, people complain but they are just the kind of people who would complain about everything that changes, you have to change, you have to adapt in order to evolve the product PAST it’s origins and into new territory where you can claim new users and sell more, I mean, if they didnt change the interface, you’d have office 2020 coming out with a user interface created back in 1997 ??? what fucking sense does that make? just because it was good in 1997 doesnt mean that 13 years later it’s still good, perhaps it was just the best you could do back in that time, but now you have better tools, we need to improve. The ribbon is that improvement, it’s new, confusing a little, but you get used to it at the end.

    yeah, dammed right openoffice is slow…urgh….thats why I got microsoft office installed, plus the documents it creates are just plain ugly compared to the documents in word.

    and about FOSS apps, yeah, you can pretty much say that, people just don’t get it, the interface HAS TO BE BEAUTIFUL! if it looks like a shit, people won’t like using it, thats why people like the mac, because the user interface is great, clean, clear, well animated, looks modern, does modern things, acts modern, doesnt act like a shovel, etc.

    Gimp for example, they are only just this year (perhaps next year) going to have a single window mode, WHY??? gimp is from 1998 isnt it? yet in 12 years, what have they done? I’m sorry, but I can’t see 12 years of development, they are ONLY JUST moving to a better graphics engine, why did it take them 12 years? why wasnt the system built in such a way that you can replace the engine easily? why was the engine was dramatically underpowered in the first place? why does it take 12 years for people to see that single window mode, MIGHT ACTUALLY BE USEFUL TO SOME PEOPLE.

    idiots!

    about sound systems, linux kernel panics, etc, you’re right, choice, as they say, benefits everyone, but too much choice benefits nobody, I dont mind there being 100 sound servers, but I think it’s only common sense to say that if you have one installed already, you cannot install another one, what is the rationale behind wanting 4 different ones installed? compatibility? ok, but if I want to be compatible with an app, have it depend on installing the sound server and uninstall my current one, if I have a conflict of interest, tough shit, get the app developers to stop circle jerking each other making sound servers all day when what people really want, is a single window gimp and NO, your sound server isnt good, it’s a pile of shit, just like the other 99.

  5. Lol at this! Good points, I personally like openoffice but I suppose you wouldn’t consider me a power user as I just use it for the odd spreadsheet and word document and don’t have any major feature requests. I used to use word back in the day of me buying package computers etc but as these days I generally purchase a new brandless laptop every 18 months I try and rely on open source for a lot of things.

    I like your stuff mate keep up the good work, your advice on fotobook has proved very useful. Thanks :)

    You can see how I used it at http://faceevent.co.uk/photos

    Good day.

    David

  6. f*ck all neocoms as*kissing but*plugs HACKERS JAVA BULLSH*T! you don`t like the U.S.A? Fu*kyou! you don`t want to learn english? Fu*kyou! you want to sell america down the river? Fu*kyou! 99% of you as*clowns never served in the military, to you all is cram my D.I. boot sixe 16 strait up jam hole and correct the Anal cranium reversal you got going on there THIS IS THE FIRST AND FINAL WARNING:
    STAY THE FU*K OUT OF MY COMPUTER or im going to sun java, find you, then after you screening like my five year old little girl for about half an hour, im going to hack in to you!

  7. Man, thats a fucking awesome comment!!! ahhahaha, how great is this guy, I actually want this guy to do it, just to see if it’s hilarious in real life as it was reading it !!!! Private pile!! you are a fucking disGRACE get the fuck off my assault course!! I will fuck you pile, I will fuck you like a piggy for christmas!!!!

    COMMENT APPROVED SOLDIER!!!

  8. I get really frustrated with a lot of Linux/Open Source advocates who deride everyone else for using Micro$oft [sic] or Apple products. While I agree with the principles of open source and free software—and make use of some open source apps on my Mac—I really think that a lot of them are defending the principle of open source over actual usability. I find OpenOffice unusable, myself, and it’s behind the times where standards are concerned. For example, it doesn’t support the common font file format of OTF—99% of my fonts don’t show up on OpenOffice’s menus! The interface is clunky and makes Microsoft look stylish. The GIMP is a piece of shit and I can’t use it. Ad nauseam. If Open Source developers want to properly compete with proprietary and ‘non-free’ companies, they need to step up their game!

  9. FG, you are absolutely right, I read this article today, it actually sums up some of your points, perhaps you’d agree with it.

    http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010073002835OSCYUB

    The short story is that ubuntu is focusing on the user experience and people take pot shots because they dont commit enough code to other projects, not realising that code commits don’t make a project, whether it’s useful makes the project.

    By being there, focusing on mostly the user interface, ubuntu is picking up where most linux people leave off, the interface, most linux projects look like a dog turd, ubuntu would take that project, polish it and present it to people as a finished project.

    You agree I suppose?

  10. oh and don’t get me started on the gimp, 10 years and still absolutely useless at doing most things a REAL DESIGNER NEEDS.

    Same with open office, same with a lot of apps on linux, people think once the code is done, the project is finished, WRONG! the effort of polishing has just begun.

  11. OpenOffice 3.X actually sucks more than OO2.4. In addition to not fixing the absolute reference bug (which people have been complaining about for ***YEARS***), they have managed to completely break the ‘sort lists’ function in the spreadsheet. Unbelievable. Oh, and just try to file a bug report. Useless. Don’t waste your time – Open Office is completely useless.

  12. your claim that windows is much superior to openoffice is wrong because both of them are hard to use, ugly and inefficient.

    I uninstalled openoffice as soon as I got ubuntu, but I certainly am not a fan of windows, probably the most bloated, bug-prone and well, just plain retarded operating system in existence

  13. hi j:

    who are you talking to? and what are you talking about? we are discussing openoffice, not windows, why do you bring windows into the topic? perhaps you can clarify your points a bit.

  14. You’re all wrong, mac rules and anything windoze pc sucks ass. Iworks is 100 times better than open office and MS office combined.

  15. @macraken: nobody has actually said iworks is bad, we’re discussing openoffice, iworks maybe fantastic, but that doesn’t help people much when only about 15 people in the world actually use the bloody thing.

    :)

  16. For someone who aspires to be an objective voice, you have few points of substance. “Ooooh, MS Office is sooooo shiny!” Your posts make you sound like a silly valley girl. Active U.S. users of OpenOffice alone are estimate at 10+ million. More than will ever visit your blog or care about your few lines of code, I’ll daresay.

  17. This is why children shouldn’t use the internet without a parent to sit beside them.

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10195845-16.html

    checkout the comments, what a load of opensource fanboy bullshit. it’s a paid study and the numbers don’t add up.

    OpenOffice is shite, same as the gimp, software for geeks whilst the rest of the world uses proper tools written for normal people.

  18. I think I’ll take that as a compliment–your standards of “proper” and “normal” are for the masses who have zero ability to think for themselves.

  19. yeah, thats why I’m the clever one and you’re commenting on MY blog, not the other way around.

    good one! perhaps you should go flip those burgers over, nobody likes charcoal when they’re expecting top quality!

  20. Hi,
    I like the original post here, but I don’t agree with those comments that all free soft sucks. It is just not true – there are a lot of nice applications out there.
    Yes, companies like MS and Apple push the progress and have better view on the big picture, they have plans and strategy on their technologies, good examples are .NET, Visual Studio etc… I doubt there will be such tools in Linux ever.

    For small apps on other hand – there are a lot of good free apps. Take for example a DVD burn programs and all those media tools :)

    Also flexibility – for a server I would always choose linux/bsd against win/mac, any day, and obviously it is not only me. You can strip down a linux distro to bare minimum – and create very clean and reliable server.

    Another example: my job is related to databases, and I would never go for IBM’s DB2 or MSSQL if I can use PostgreSQL (free) or Oracle DB (propr).

    There are a lot of good examples, I think both worlds have their strong points.

    regards

  21. @vlad, completely agree, there are lots of great open source and free software applications out there that blow away any competition, k3b, it’s one of the best disc burners on the planet.

    if you’re making technical tools for technical people, you find they are more forgiving when it comes to mistakes, but when you’re developing tools for normal people on the street, you can’t have those kind of mistakes, errors, weird things, etc. gimp and openoffice have the unfortunate position of being in the latter category, where mistakes are seen as stupid mistakes by people who don’t understand what normal people need.

    absolutely right on the server issue, I wouldn’t choose any other system than linux, mac and windows are just not as easy to use, but on the desktop, I think I’ve choose mac over linux, mac is like linux, but with a better user interface and software availability, but linux is trying hard to copy mac, which is a good thing! (copy what can help you improve, it’s the free software way, right?)

    thanks for the post vlad!

  22. Well, 3.3.0 has been released. Calc’s sort list function is now completely broken – beyond being a joke: it’s pathetic. I feel sorry for them. It can’t possibly have been an accident – a f*ckup this bad must be intentional.

    They *have* **finally** fixed the absolute reference bug – that has been broken for the better part of the last decade.

    OO progress: fix one critical bug after ignoring it for years, and completely break something that worked in the last release. WTF?

  23. yes they are very clever, don’t they have testing frameworks to deal with these issues?

    I think the problem with openoffice is similar to mozilla, when they broke from netscape, they had this huge, mass of code, with all sorts of spaghetti crap and framework ideas gone bad, half implemented things, etc, etc.

    I hope they go the same way as with xfree86 -> x.org where they modulerise the codebase and start to introduce new API’s to get around problems in the old ones.

    The good part about libreoffice (cause lets face it, openoffice is dead now, most of the maintainers have left). Is that they don’t have to worry about external dependencies. The problem with the transition from xfree86->x.org was that there were hundreds of thousands of dependencies and they all had to work, EVERY TIME.

    With libreoffice, the only user of the code, is libreoffice. So what I hope happens, is they introduce new API’s that solve problems in the old API’s and start to rewrite parts of the functionality to use the new code instead, then once the old code has no more use, it can be plucked out.

    I really hope they don’t try to fix the old API’s, because i think that path leads to another 5 years of not progressing and not moving because updating code THAT old, it comes from staroffice about 10 years ago, is going to be very costly time wise.

    But I agree, it’s incredible that issues such as these can even happen, especially with a codebase that supposedly has a testing system and volunteers to make sure things are tested properly. But I wonder if like Splendia.com (where I used to work), their testing methodology involves opening the website and clicking buttons then giving it the thumbs up, as opposed to a REAL TESTING POLICY.

  24. I use to use OOo and promoted it to friends, family etc until I gave in last year and picked up a copy of Microsoft word 2010 and now I wondered how I ever got along without it.

    I also tried GIMP just to try it, lets just say I will be sticking with my out of date Photo shop 7 which is still decades ahead of GIMP.

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